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Title: Tutorial Novice - Handley Page Hampden - A guide to WWII ID Models
Post by: lastvautour on September 28, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
This group build will feature the Handley Page Hampden as constructed by Peter and Lou. Others may join if they wish.

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Lou

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Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on September 30, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Peter, I need to know what size paper your printer uses.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: 1.JaVA_LGorrit on October 02, 2013, 01:36:21 PM
I would like to join in on this group build if possible.

My printer prints European standard "A4".
mm × mm    210 × 297
in × in          8.27 × 11.69
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 02, 2013, 03:02:48 PM
I will send you the drawings shortly. What is your first name.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: 1.JaVA_LGorrit on October 02, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
Hi Lou,
Drawings well received, thank you.
I will print them at work tomorrow.

Jorrit
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 03, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
Jorrit has successfully received and printed a 1/72 scale drawing of the port wing. I will send all drawings to Peter and Jorrit shortly. Once received printed and confirmed to be 1/72 scale I will begin. Anybody can join in at any time or select another aircraft if they so wish.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 04, 2013, 05:59:25 PM
Hello Gentlemen,

Plans printed to 1/72 without a hitch. Wood selected, construction will start on Monday.

Sharpen your knives and let the chips fly!!!

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 04, 2013, 06:19:19 PM
What are you using for wood Peter? The plans will tell you a slightly larger than needed sizes just to get you starting. I have selected my clear wood (recycled) and started getting the plans ready for transferring the patterns  to the wood. I have two method, one is to glue the plan to cardboard for use as a template. The other is to glue the plan directly to the wood.
The engine nacelles are laminated as I do not have a single piece of wood big enough. Keep the two nacelle as one long piece rather than cutting into separate one at this point.

Note to Peter. Let me know when you have the basic wood assembled. As I don't know your skill level let me know if you require instruction on cutting the wood blocks to size.


Lou

Next - applying the patterns to the wood.


Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 04, 2013, 07:23:49 PM
Hi Lou,

I am using a combination of basswood for the smaller pieces, the wing and the fuselage will be a piece of recycled clear pine. Of the two solids I have built so far I combined both your methods of templates. I glued one copy to the the fuselage but use templates on cardboard for the other components. I'm thinking, I may have to laminate pieces together for the engine nacelles as well.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 05, 2013, 01:16:37 AM
We are on the same page. Please post a photo of your assembled wood pieces for our followers.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 05, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
If you don't already have one, here are instructions on making a bench hook.

http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=1122.0

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on October 05, 2013, 07:13:19 PM
Can I ask a question? what is Basswood, I've seen it mentioned quite a few times in builds but I have never heard of it here. Regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 05, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
Paul, it is one of the best materiel for carving models. It is firm yet easily cut and has a tight grain.  I have a few pieces but wish I could get more of it. Check out Wikipedia on the subject. For some reason they call it different names in other parts of the world.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 05, 2013, 11:23:04 PM
Hi Paul,

I believe Basswood in known as Limewood in Europe. Most of the wooden ship model kits from Spain and Italy are made from Limewood. Most whittling and wood craning in North America is done from baswwod. It holds detail well and as Lou says has a tight grain so you don't have the same problems as you do with some others. I'm typing this on my phone at a wedding reception and the wife just noticed. This is going to hurt!

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on October 06, 2013, 08:57:18 AM
Thanks for the info Lou and Peter. I'll have to try and find some. PS, Hope it didn't hurt too much Peter !!!. Regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 06, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
Peter, what tools do you have?

Lou
I hope the dressing down following the reception wasn't to harsh.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 06, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Like Lou wish that I could get more Basswood,it is very difficult to come by especially blocks of it,for making propeller's it is superb plus other small details that need to retain tight shapes that do not break.
Another good wood is Jelutong,used to be used by pattern makers before the modern materials came on the market for them.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 07, 2013, 07:24:40 AM
Hi Lou,

I have an okay selection of tools. Scroll saw, jig saw, micro saw, variety of flex cut carving knives, variety of files, sanding block, a new Dremel, small selection of chisels and paint stuff. I think I'm pretty well prepared with tools. I will post a photo tomorrow of my templates and wood.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 07, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
I am using standard pine boards these days. The first items are the wings and fuselage. This is block stage with no contour and cut to the thickness of the wood which in my case is 7/8". Since you have a scroll saw, you can cut the wing close to the lines and finish with either a chisel or hobby knife followed by the old sanding block. I place a full sheet of sandpaper on my bench so I can move the part back and forth on it to make thing a bit smoother. The fuselage can be treated in the same fashion or like the photo I cut roughly around then made vertical cuts almost to the edge of the lines. I next use a chisel or sometimes my X-acto knife to get closer to the line. I will then use a sanding block (pic to follow) to cut the wood down to the lines. At this point everything is still in the block stage.

Lou

Next photo will show my blocked fuselage. I will wait for you to get this far before going on.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 08, 2013, 01:09:31 AM
Hello Lou,
Here are my Handley Page Hampden Templates mounted on cardboard and the basswood wing, fuselage and nacelle pieces. The wood I was going to use for the fuselage didn't work out so I will be laminating two pieces of basswood.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 08, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Excellent Peter. I will start with the wing. First proceed to the block form by cutting away all that is outside the lines. I normally use the hobby knife to finish off the tip cross grain and then the trusty sanding block. Sand the entire outer area as we will be drawing on the outer edges. The blue section will be removed.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 08, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
I have two method to remove the wing from the block. Depending on how wide the wing is. In this case both methods will be used.  After the edges are smooth and straight we mark the thickness of the center and tips. Next join the lines both front and back.

1. I cut vertical cuts nearly to the lines. this makes it easier to remove the material without damage to the piece we want to save.

2. A horizontal cut using a band saw or scroll saw depending on how wide the piece is.

Lou

Next, removing the excess wood.

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 08, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
Getting the wing shaped in block form. A chisel is used to remove the excess wood. Care must be taken to shave just a bit at a time as trying to do it all in one swipe will more than likely remove too much. The angle of the blade should be kept very shallow to remove just a bit at a time. You will notice the imperfections I found only after having removed the excess material. Next is placing the wing on the large medium sheet of sandpaper on my bench and moving it back and forth until the part is nice and flat on both sides. We will deal with the imperfections as we shape the wing, but that is another post.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 09, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
I will now move on to the nacelle blocks. I see you cut them separately. No problem, I just prefer to shape both on one piece and then cut them later. The process is the select wood that has straight grain and mark both ends with the size of the nacelle. I next mark out portions to remove all around the piece. Slowly begin to remove the excess wood being careful not to take too much away. Once all major portions are gone, you slowly remove all the high points. Next the sanding block come in. In this case a piece of 80 grit paper was used. Angle the piece and slowly rotate as you push and pull it on the paper. At the end, hopefully you have a piece that is close to being round.

Now if someone has a lathe or a dowel of the correct size, life would be easier but not as much fun.


Lou.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 09, 2013, 08:56:36 PM
To make the smaller parts, wood need to be cut down to the desired thickness. . I had the Hampden wood pre-cut before the post started so I will use Jorrit's Mossie tail plane to demonstrate. Start by measuring the thickness you want plus a bit for errors with the blade. I use the coping/fretsaw for Jorrit's benefit as well. You can use your scroll saw or a Band saw if you have one. Make sure you have ten fingers at the end. Using the coping saw, make your way around the piece in question and keep watch on the blade. It will want to wander. Oh yeah, watch the kitchen table if you are using it to cut your wood. The ladies don't like saw cuts in the edges. I think it shows character.


Lou

Off to Bingo with the misses. More later
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 10, 2013, 12:40:47 AM
Lou is that a chisel grinder that I can spot on your workbench ? it looks very neat.
Lovely progress on the Hampden and I am envious of that clear pine timber as well.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 10, 2013, 01:24:00 AM
Hi Lou,

I am back on shift (10 hour shifts) starting tomorrow. So my work on the Hampton will continue next Monday with updated photos.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 10, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
Barry, yes it is a grinder and a wet/dry rotary stone. Works wonders with chisels or any blade.

Peter, that is fine see you next Monday. I will continue with the construction after you have reach this stage.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 16, 2013, 06:44:48 AM
Here are some updated photos things have gone a little slower than I hoped. More sanding is needed on both the wing and nacelles.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 16, 2013, 08:57:52 AM
Those Flexicut knives are excellent,I love my half round one the blades are top quality,carry on Lou just an observation !
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 16, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Barry, feel free to comment at anytime.

Peter, complete the taper of the wing using your chisel and follow it up with some sanding on a coarse sheet of sand paper. As Barry mentioned before, cover your coffee cup.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 16, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
Top tip-
Get hold of a piece of scrap toughened glass,old glass kitchen cabiets etc,spray spraymount adhesive onto the glass and also the rear of the glasspaper,press it down smooth.
You now have the finest rubbing surface,just like you have in your picture here,glass is so flat like nothing else,when the glasspaper is worn out just lift it off with a bit of assistance from a scraper and lay on a new sheet of abrasive paper.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 19, 2013, 07:44:19 PM
Hi Peter, did you get a chance for any more work on your Hampden?

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 19, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
Hi Lou,

I'm off Monday and Tuesday so most of that will be dedicated to the Hampden. This weekend between work I'll be re sharpening my knives and chisels which is longer over do.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 23, 2013, 06:58:49 PM
Hi Lou,

I have finished shaping and sanding the wing and nacelles. I have also reduced the fuselage to the correct thickness on the bench hook. I'm awaiting further instructions. I am having trouble posting the photos this time. I'll take new ones possibly they are to big.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 24, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
Hi Lou,

I took new photos and roughed out the tail feathers at the same time. I'm getting a message that says upload folder is full so I can't post the photos, any ideas?

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Oceaneer99 on October 24, 2013, 06:15:37 AM
Peter, try uploading photos now.  We had hit the maximum default folder size, but I just doubled the setting.

Garet
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 24, 2013, 07:43:22 AM
Thanks Garet!
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 24, 2013, 07:45:30 AM
Here's a couple more

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 24, 2013, 08:33:03 AM
Peter workbench patrol here ! what is the little twin boom aeroplane you have under construction ? it looks interesting,congratulations on your excellent progress on the Hampden,teacher will be proud of you.

Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 24, 2013, 03:14:07 PM
Peter, you are actually ahead of me as I have yet to carve the fuselage top profile. Looking pretty good so far. I will go on to tail feathers. I see you have slimmed down the stabs.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 24, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
Peter, you are actually ahead of me as I have yet to carve the fuselage top profile. Looking pretty good so far. I will go on to tail feathers. I see you have slimmed down the stabs. And cut out the parts. All that is required is to shape the surfaces and attaché the vertical fins to the horizon stab. I carefully used my band saw but you can use your scroll saw to notch the parts together. If they don't go together easily, use a sharp blade to widen the notches. If you force them you will break them.(experience talking).
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 24, 2013, 07:19:58 PM
You will have noticed that I selected an alternate method of attaching the vertical and horizon fins. You may use the method in the instruction sheet, however I find that butt joints have a habit of breaking off. More on the tail feathers. Run a centered  line around outer edge of the part. I chose 5mm for the line on the flat part of the stab and 3mm on the fins. I then removed the excess wood using a sharp blade being very careful as it is easy to cut to much off at this point. You may also just use a sanding block to create the airfoil shape. The fin airfoil shape does not fit tightly against the stab. That is OK as we will use a slight amount of wood filler to fix that. Continue until the three parts are sanded to the airfoil shape.

You will note that the last photo shows a broken bottom fin. See, experience. That will be sorted out.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 24, 2013, 07:23:29 PM
What is the fuselage in the picture Lou ? the one that the Hampden tail is sitting on.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 24, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
The stabilizer slot shown in the instructions is called a clothespin joint. I can never seem to get those so I will just cut a square slot making sure it is perfectly horizontal to the fuselage. The small gaps will be filled with putty. I have yet to cut out this slot and probably will have to wait until the weekend as tonight we have cards and tomorrow the misses has darts. We are just social butterflies these days.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 24, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
Barry, the fuselage is the messed up Apache. As you can see I missed the point on that one.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 24, 2013, 07:37:40 PM
Hi Lou,

Thanks for the updates. I am back to working 10 hours shift so no hobby stuff until next Monday. Enjoy the cards and the darts.

Hi Barry,

The twin boom fighter is from I believe, 1938? aero modeler magazine plan in the file section of this site. The only other thing it says on the plan is a proposed fighter plane. I was working on it before the Hampden build started. I'll post a photo of it when I get home from work.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 24, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
I remember that particular plan Peter,it was as you say a proposed design,very interesting.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 25, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
While waiting for you to come back I will illustrate how to shape the main wing forward airfoil. Start by measuring off the front of the wing into thirds and the rear into half. The photo shows what I mean. Next we move to the top of the wing and measure off one third from the leading edge. In this case I marked 5mm and 23 mm from the edge. The tip is measured approx. 5mm from the tip.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 25, 2013, 02:03:53 PM
Next mark a line half way between the line and leading edge and remove the wood between those the new line and the top line in the from edge of the wing. I just remove a bit for show. Be careful once you get to the tip area. You may want to use a sanding block.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 25, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Next mark the center of both remaining top sections and carefully remove the excess wood between line 2 and 4 which actually removes line 3. Next use your sanding block to round things out. By marking and removing small sections at a time you have a better chance of having both side match. Now do the same for the bottom of the wing as the plans show the airfoil as being symmetrical. You will wind up with a flat section in the centre of the leading edge. We will take care of that in the next post. I need to get my wing up to the steps I just described.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 26, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
Mark the center of the leading edge face and place another line 2mm inside on the top surface. Cut out the part between the lines but do not touch the lines. Now sand the leading edge to shape. I use the large sheet of sandpaper laid flat on my bench for this type of job. If you place a straight line running fore and aft you will see the shape of the airfoil. That will also come in handy in shaping the fuselage.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 26, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
I got ahead of my camera on the next shots. Mark off two points on the center line of the wing 15mm and 30mm from the trailing edge. Mark a point 5mm from the training at the tip of the wing. Connect the dots. We already marked the center of the thickness on the training edge. Remove the wood between the 15mm line and the center of the trailing edge. Be careful as you are now cutting the grain in two directions. Small amount at a time will save you problems. You could use a wood rasp if you were so inclined. Now mark off the center between the 15mm and 30mm line and run lines to the tips at the 5mm spot. Same as the front edge remove the wood between lines 2 and 4. Check on the final shape. If need be, mark additional line to ensure you do not take off to much wood. Using the flat sheet of coarse sandpaper remove as much wood as required to get a smooth wing surface. At any point you feel you need to remove more wood, do so and repeat with the sanding process. Before moving on the bottom half, mark off 1mm below the line on the training edge rear face as making the training edge too sharp will subject it to damages when handling. If you check closely you will find that even my smaller models have a thicker training edge than what the scale calls for.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 26, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
Just a small sneak peek at things to come.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 26, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
Its looking really good Lou,the Hampden makes a lovely subject for model building.
My father flew Hampden's in Canada.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 26, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
That's a nice connection Barry. Do you know the number of the Hampden your Dad flew?

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 26, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
I will make mine represent a Royal Canadian Air Force Squadron bird. It would be nice to have a serial and call letters if possible.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 26, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
Yes Lou I can assist you here,RCAF form R.96 Logbook states the following historic notes as flown by my father-No.1 AAS Manby,Canada in 1943.

Serial 5884 19-05-1943 Hampden,bombing exercises
Serial 5894 20-05-1943 Hampden,6 bombs,bombing practise
Serial 5958 27-05-1943 Hampden,6 bombs,bombing practise
Serial 5973 28-05-1943 Hampden,130 group

It appears the OTU aircraft carried large serials on the fuselage sides with no codes as per RAF aircraft at that time but codes DK,LB,OP,RO were allocated to 32 OTU as gunnery and bombing trainers so were probably used at some time,these were Canadian Victory built aircraft quantity built in Canada 150-160 aircraft.

Scheme would be the usual dark earth/dark green camouflage pattern with what appear to be light grey undersides,later aircraft sent over from the UK had standard serials,from the pictures that I have seen these look well worn aircraft with black oil streaks across the wings were the exhaust has left its mark.

Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 29, 2013, 07:04:55 PM
Let's do a bit of play with the fuselage.

Photo 1
Mark the side of the fuselage 1mm from the top and run the line pass the turret.

Photo 2
Using the template, transfer the outer outline of the top turret.

Photo 3
Do the same for the lower gun placement.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 29, 2013, 07:13:20 PM
Photo 1 and 2
Cut vertically into the excess wood to liberate the outline of turret. Contouring will follow later

Photo 3 and 4
Mark the rear fuselage in a similar fashion and cut to a straight edge. We will contour later.

Note that the lower gun emplacement will be done after we mount the wing.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 29, 2013, 07:23:56 PM
Photo 1
Next using the template locate the forward leading edge of the wing. There is a dot on the template to identify this. I use a pin or any sharp point to transfer the location to both sides of the fuselage.

Photo 2
Mark the center line of the wing root. You will note that the trailing edge ends on former C. If your wing does not fit the dimension, we will sort that out later.

Photo 3
Mark off the location where the fuselage will sit on the wing.

Photo 4
Starting at the leading edge of the wing root mark off a line at the 2cm and 4cm as per the photo.

Photo 5
Using your scroll saw or what ever saw suits you cut the 2 lines up to the center line and leave as is. The wing is marked and cut in a similar fashion, however the cut is from the leading edge back to the first 2cm line and from the back forward to the second 2cm line leaving a 2cm section uncut. Again do not remove any sections yet.

Lou

The last photo is just to show where we are heading in the future. Do not remove any sections yet.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 29, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Photo 1
Now we take the cross section and mark off the rounded portion at the top. It is the same curvature for the bottom. I should have marked the bottom of the cross section to avoid confusion.

Photo 2
Placing a diagonal line will indicate what section we want to remove.

Photo 3
Mark the location of the triangular section we want to remove from the bottom of the fuselage and remove it with a chisel or hobby knife. Take care of the direction of the grain as you may cut too deeply into the fuselage bottom.

Photo 4
Here the triangular parts have been removed. You may use a knife or chisel to round things off a bit. Note the fuselage is siting up side down.

Photo 5
I preferred to just sand the contour using the bench mounted coarse sandpaper sheet.

Photo 6
Here we have the contour of the fuselage bottom. The cut line act as contour lines to show what the curvature is. You can add pencil lines to do the same thing at various points.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 30, 2013, 05:35:19 PM
Hi Lou,

Sorry for my tardiness, real life and all that stuff.  I haven't posted photos but I have been keeping up. I redid my wings leading edge after studying your photos. I broke the trailing edge, which caused foul language that would of made a sailor blush :o I have repaired the trailing edge, which was actually kind of fun.

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on October 30, 2013, 05:45:18 PM
Hi Barry,

Here are some photos of the plane you asked about during your bench patrol.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on October 30, 2013, 07:10:24 PM
The Hampden is looking great Peter. I will go on to the top of the fuselage and mating the engines to the wing shortly. Other obligations keep me away also. Grocery shopping, bingo etc...

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on October 30, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
Great progress on the Hampden Peter. Real life always comes up with something!!!!!. I must say that your tutorials are top notch when it comes to attention to detail Lou, and are excellent to follow, even if you are not making one at the same time,(your videos as well especially the siege!) Best regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 30, 2013, 11:47:39 PM
Thanks Peter for the further pictures,yes although the Aeromodeller futuristic at the time the nearest aircraft to your twin boom pusher  type would be the Stearman Hammond Y-1.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on October 30, 2013, 11:49:54 PM
Peter your Hampden looks really good,and you took the inituitive to repair that trailing edge,highly commendable work.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 02, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
I got ahead of my self in the last photos. Using your hobby knife, carefully insert the blade on one side then the other to pop out the fuselage plug. Keep that piece somewhere safe. I keep loosing mine.

Lou
PS Two knives for demo purpose only.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 02, 2013, 10:32:42 PM
Remove the wing cutout sections as well. Note that it may not be a perfect fit. That always happens to me. I prefer it to be tighter rather than loose.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 02, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
My initial attempt to mate the wing to the fuselage met with great resistance as the wing opening was not quite wide enough. Using the hobby knife carefully remove equal amounts from both wings/front and back to slip the fuselage into the opening.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 02, 2013, 10:46:04 PM
Now you will note that the wing will not go in far enough to match the templates. Using a razor saw or coping saw cut down no more than half the thickness of the wing and remove the center section. Now the fuselage will fit better but not quite there yet. Now using the hobby knife make the fuselage plug hole deeper until the center of the leading edge and trailing edge of the wing meets the template location.  You can also see that my airfoil shape need some work so I adjusted it using the sandpaper method.

Lou



Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 02, 2013, 10:55:20 PM
Thanks Lou, I will catch up on Monday.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 02, 2013, 10:56:47 PM
No rush Peter. This is your build. I want you to be successful, so don't rush on my account.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 03, 2013, 10:25:35 AM
Always exciting when the wing to fuselage is offered up,its got real character Lou this model,these final cutting adjustments really make the assembly go smoothly,a little off at a time is the answer.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 07:34:24 PM
The top of the rear fuselage is beveled out from the center. Make a line approx 1mm from the top on both sides and either shave or sand to shape shown in second photo. Next run edge lines approx 3mm in and on top, bottom and sides. Remove the triangle made by such lines and sand to a round shape.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 07:43:39 PM
Install the wing and place the fuselage plug in upside down. Mark the depth of materiel you want to remove (photo 1 & 2). Test fit the plug and shave off if needed to make it flush with the fuselage. If you took off a bit too much, just add a sliver of wood to move it out.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 07:48:56 PM
Now using your finger edging tool, run lines 3mm on the top and sides of the gun compartment and remove the triangular part. Note that if curves down around the compartment. Either use a hobby knife or sand to a round shape. Note that the bottom of the wing and the triangle formed on the fuselage next to the gun compartment are on the same level.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
Photo 1 & 2

Round off the forward end of the engine nacelles by using the finger edge tool and mark a line approx 2mm from the front and on the forward face. Trim off the triangular shape and then sand to a round shape. It is very easy to get carried away with sanding so be careful.

Photo 3 & 4

Cut half way through the nacelle where the nacelle meets the wing leading edge.

Photo 5

Take the template for the top of the nacelle and draw the outline on the remaining piece of the nacelle. This will be the bottom of the nacelle. Cut to shape leaving squared off sides for now.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 08:35:30 PM
Photo 1

Draw the shape of the wing on the side of the nacelle. Look carefully and you will see that a razor saw has cut into the draw shape so that cutting away the materiel will always cut towards the deepest part of the airfoil shape drawn on the nacelle.

Photo 2 & 3

Cut out the wings shape from the nacelle and test fit to the wing. Note that the nacelle is horizontal to the wing and fuselage so trimming here and there will be needed. The half way down into the nacelle should line up with the center thickness of the leading edge of the wing.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 08:38:09 PM
Now make a template out off the top view of the nacelle as seen on the wing. You will note it is much narrower than the bottom shape. Cut out the shape leaving vertical sides to the nacelle.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Sometimes I get carried away with sand and shaping so attaching a piece to thicken the part. The last photo shows the repaired nacelle. Light sanding and a bit of putty will make things right.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 05, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
Just to take your mind of nacelles, here is the sanded joint between the rear fuselage and the stabilizer.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 06, 2013, 09:55:53 PM
Hi Lou,

Here are some update photos of my Hampden. The fuselage is shaped, a little more sanding required but its getting close. The wing and tail are at the same stage. I"m going to have to stare at your nacelle photos for a little while longer before I start cutting them up.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 07, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
Well done Peter,your Hampden is looking great.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 07, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
I agree with Barry, well done Peter. The nacelles can be a bit challenging, but from what I have seen to date, you will do fine. If you have a spare piece of doweling you can attempt the clothespin approach using your scroll saw. I just could not master that trick.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 07, 2013, 07:27:27 PM
Thanks Lou but my scroll saw is a low end one from Crappy Tire ( that's a store really called Canadian Tire to non Canadians). I will follow your method on the nacelle.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
Moving to the fuselage again, use your finger guide to mark off the area as indicated in the photo. It is approx 4mm from the edge. Extend these lines down the forward portion of the fuselage.  Next using the paper template. use a pin to mark the location of the top and bottom of the cockpit area. Connect the dots and frame the windscreen.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:14:11 PM
Look carefully at the photos. We are cutting alone two lines. The one that goes to the bottom front edge of the3 cockpit and the other runs across the base of the from canopy area. Rock the blade back and forth to get the cut as perpendicular to the lines as possible.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:20:52 PM
Carefully cut out the triangular shape made by the two edge lines as far back at the cut at the base of the windscreen. Do the same for the other side.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:34:32 PM
Next apply lines as shown.

Photo 1
Line 1 is approx 4mm lower than the first edge line and it lines up with the lower corner of the windscreen,
Line 2 is the original line
Line 3 is half way between the two original lines we used to carve out the corner of the fuselage
Line 4 is the original line we placed on top;  and
Line 5 is half way between the fuselage center and line 4

Photo 2
Repeat the process for the other side.

Photo 3
Remove the shallow triangles formed between 2 and 3 and the triangle formed between 3 and 5.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:35:26 PM
Using medium or coarse sandpaper, round off the forward fuselage section.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:44:15 PM
Mark the fuselage down to the front edge of the gun turret and remove the various triangles to shape the fuselage. Note that I have replaced the forward windscreen lines. (important)

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Now remove the section of wood between the top and lower forward cockpit frame. Do not delete remove any wood beyond the vertical windscreen frame we mark in the previous post. The last photo shows what some sandpaper will do to shape the winscreen areas. Replace the cockpit frame lines as you go.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Moving to the bombardier's aiming window, slowly shape the corners down sand sand to shape. Be careful not to sand into the round window area.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 02:56:25 PM
The top rear gun turret is done in the same fashion as the fuselage with marking, cutting, marking and cutting followed by sanding. Remark all turret lines.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 10, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Let's do an update. We have the fuselage, tail assembly, nacelles and wing just about ready for some serious gluing, but not yet. More to come later.

Lou

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 19, 2013, 02:33:29 AM
Hi Lou,

I have had a really crazy week but have managed to get some work done. The nacelles have been cut and sanded although they need a bit more. After studying your photos and some photos of the actual plane. I removed more wood and re-sanded the fuselage although it to requires some more sanding.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 19, 2013, 02:36:44 AM
also a front view
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
That is awesome Peter. You are doing very well on this Hampden.
We are on the same page.


Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 08:28:03 PM
Now for some fun. The lines for the dihedral breaks are the dotted lines between the flap and aileron joint.  I used my fret saw to make the cuts to the wing because the blade is fairly wide. The object of the game is not to cut through the wing but to leave some materiel for structural strength. Gently bend the wing up until you get 3/8 in deflection at the tip. I put the wing flat and used a 3/8 block to attain the correct dihedral. If you should be lucky enough not to break the joint, use white glue and fill the seam completely and let dry at least 24 hours. then do the other side.

Lou

If you are like me, the next three post will sort out our clumsiness.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 08:33:32 PM
Another method for attaining dihedral is to cut through the wing after having made a line 90 degrees to the cut line. This will help to align the wing properly. Next line up the lines and cut into the wing with the fretsaw. Be careful that the parts do not move or the alignment may be off.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 08:36:45 PM
Make a couple of thin pieces of wood to act as spar between the wing and the elevated portion. Insert dry and test fit a few times. If it is lines up glue it all with white glue and let dry 24 hours. Make sure the leading and trailing edges are aligned.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 08:40:12 PM
Use the 3/8 inch block to prop things up. Place heavy object on top to eliminate the glue moving the wood during the drying process. In a few days when all is dry, you will have perfect dihedral breaks. Later will add a bit of filler/putty and a bit of sanding.

Lou

PS those pegs on top of the wings are round toothpicks I use to secure the nacelles during construction.

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 19, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
Okay Lou the cuts are made and the wing is glued and drying.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 19, 2013, 10:26:56 PM
Great, let us see the photos once dry.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 20, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
Future peek!!!!!

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 20, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Wow Lou very inspirational. I might have to call in sick to work and catch up!

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 21, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Looks really good Lou,you have captured the uniqueness of the Hampden 'Fling Suitcase' as it was nicknamed for obvious reasons very well indeed.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on November 21, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
A very nice model, Lou. As during the war, I think it was Quaker Corn Flakes or the manufacturer of a particular Corn Syrup, when they used to have a coloured box sized sketch of one of the allied bombers and the Handley Page was featured frequently. Other aircraft were the
Short Sterling and the Hudson Bomber that I remember. I used to link them all together and then place them on my bedroom wall. But I guess that I really didn't think that I would ever see such a fine reproduction of that particular bomber again.

Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 21, 2013, 09:26:25 PM
Thank you all. Your positive comments are appreciated.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 22, 2013, 01:40:14 PM
Cliff one of those boxes appeared on EBay a while back,it realised a lot of money and purchased by a cereal box collector,how nostalgic and just think of the chances of one surviving ?
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on November 22, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
Barry, thanks for the information concerning the current availability, of all things, of a cereal box.? What next? Will collectors never stop at anything? Why not a Solid Scale model of an aircraft! Surely it should be worth more! Possibly another indication of too many people with nothing to do. But it is nostalgic. And while I shudder to think of just how much it went for or even its chances of survival, I still believe that Sold Scale inherently is of a greater value.

Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 23, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
I agree Cliff a 100%, unfortunately collectors will only collect what is popular or extremely obscure. I think solids fall somewhere in the middle.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on November 23, 2013, 07:34:28 PM
Peter, if Solids only fall somewhere in between I guess we're lucky. But considering the amazing work that's been done by members of this Group - let alone the wonderful tutorials by Lou and Barry - surely some models are beyond any financial return. Then there's the historical content that's embodied. Various models do not even have a demand great enough to warrent the commercialization of a competitor.
Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on November 23, 2013, 07:51:45 PM
Cliff, I agree with what you are saying. But I think the masses have know ideas about solid models or the history of them. I was talking to a young security guard at work, he builds 1/35th scale armoured vehicles. I showed him SSM on my cell phone and he was amazed but said there was know way he could do that, he's not a carver. I think model builders think we are wood carvers and wood carvers think we are model builders if that makes sense. I think it all comes down to lack of education. Lou and Barry should write a book!

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on November 23, 2013, 08:24:00 PM
Peter, I believe that there is a lot to be said about whether or not we are carvers. But personally I am NOT a carver - at least in the traditional sense of the word. In the old days we were essentially dedicated to the idea: Top View; Side View; and Front View - or rounding it off. All were kits. And every aircraft had a face that had to be attained. If anyone can do this then he/she is a Solid Scale devotee.
Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:25:47 PM
I use white glue in most cases.
Photo 1/2/3/4
Place the nacelle on the wing making sure the nacelle is parallel to the cord line. Check the next photo (7) to align the center of the nacelle with the center of the leading edge. If possible use a clamp to hold in place or put a weight on it.

Photo 5/6/7
Once the upper nacelle is dry, place the bottom nacelle and check alignment and let dry.

Lou

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:30:40 PM
Now this is your choice of filler/putty to use. I personally like Lepage wood filler but have used Tamiya putty and plastic wood. Each has its place, but I use Lapage filler exclusively now a days. I apply it with a toothpick and don't try to smooth anything out at this point. It sands really easy and does not shrink over time.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
The wheels for the Hampden are easy to make. You have a choice of using a dowel if you have it or make your own as per the photos. Note that the wood grain runs side to side of the wheel like a dowel would.
The tail wheel is done in a similar fashion. You can cut it out rough and sand it once glued in place. Check the plan for placement. Before the glue sets completely, it is not a bad idea to check the alignment. I had to break a main wheel joint and re-attach to the proper place.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:47:53 PM
Don't spare the glue on the main joints. You can wipe it off later. Here we prepare to attach the wing. Coat all surfaces that will be in contact with each other rather than just one side. Let sit overnight. Once dry, insert the fuselage plug and insert a smaller piece to fill the gap. Since we used the fretsaw, the gap is bigger than usual when I use a razor saw. Insert the parts with lots of glue. I made the error of using a piece that the grain runs 90 degrees to the fuselage. Not a good idea so if you can cut an end piece to fit the gap, do so.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:52:56 PM
I somehow forgot to take photos of the filler sanding. I fold a piece of medium sandpaper and carefully sand the filler until the nacelle and the wing make a smooth connection. The filler is more to fill the gaps rather than fair in the parts at this point. Sand the bottom of the fuselage where the plugs meet the fuselage using the sanding block and medium grit paper.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
Wing fillets smooth the transition between the fuselage and the wing reducing drag enabling the aircraft to gain greater speed. In the case with the Hampden, it needed all the help it could get.
Using the template draw the fillet shape onto 1mm thick wood. Cut out the filet as shown and glue in place as per the photo.

Lou
PS My fillets have never been my strong point so anyone wanting to add their two cents, feel free.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 09:05:58 PM
Once the fillets blanks have been dry for at least a day, carefully cut out the shape as shown. Even having been dry for a day, the gluing surface is minimal and can easily be broken. Note the grain of the wood runs front to rear so when shaping cut from the outside in. Do a light sanding with a curved piece of sandpaper to flare the parts into the wing. Final sanding will come after using the filler in the next post.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 24, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
I known it looks like peanut butter but I assure you it is Lepage wood filler. Don't be stingy. Using light pressure, run your finger down keeping contact with the wing and fuselage. Run it down just the once and let dry completely. Never mind the slight imperfections. They will be corrected later.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 27, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Once dried, wrap sandpaper around a dowel or paint brush handle and sand the contour of the fillet as shown. This is delicate work as you do not want to dig into the fuselage side. The trailing edge of the filet is similar in that it must be round concave using rolled sandpaper and a gentle approach.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 27, 2013, 11:10:12 PM
Forgot to tell you to apply putty to the bottom areas as well. and then sand flat. Once all is sanded you will find imperfections so just apply a small amount of putty to fill the dents or fair in the edges.
Once dry sand again. You may have to do this several times until you are satisfied with the results.
Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 27, 2013, 11:13:27 PM
After this we will move on to the small details.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 28, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
Looks really good Lou,the distinctive dihedral is spot on.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 29, 2013, 04:51:54 PM
Thanks Barry. Most would either start at the fuselage or at the engines. Somebody had to be different.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 29, 2013, 04:58:19 PM
Details make the model at time. The upper intakes are made from 2mm X 2mm X 8mm stock. I just cut down an existing piece of spare wood down to the desired measurement with my trusty chisel and bench hook. Cut them down to the 8mm length and then slanted the rear profile. Sanding takes place once glu has dried completely. Make sure they are located properly at approx. 15 degrees off center and 1cm from the front of the engine cowling.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on November 29, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Same method as the upper scoop but a slight difference in size. Cut out and glue. Once glued sand lightly to get rounded edges and smooth curves.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on November 29, 2013, 08:27:32 PM
I always say the humps and bumps make a particular model and bring it alive,the Hampden is no exception.

Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:12:56 PM
The exhaust pipes vary from engines to nationality and mks. I made some generic pipes for mine as it fits the model I wish to make. Here are basic instructions on making them. I started with 3 mm as a given thickness and found that it is too much so on the second set I used 2mm. .

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:13:43 PM
The two Xs are flat surfaces that will be glues to the bottom of the engine cowl. Sand the part to a circular pipe and glue in place once painted copper and the aircraft paint scheme is fully dried. I just tacked mine with a bit of super glue for demo purposes. I took them off before placing the Hampden in the paint shop for its first coat of primer.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:17:44 PM
And one more photo to place the exhaust pipe in relation to the cowl center line.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
The radio antenna mast is a toothpick cut to size with the end notched to fit a round pin hole. Sand to a point but not too much as an actual scale antenna mast/post would not hold up to much handling. Look at the aircraft you wish to represent and cut down accordingly as with all things, there were some changes.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:27:18 PM
Locate the area where the antenna mast will be perched and drill or make a hole with a pointy object. Insert the antenna mast and wait until all is painted before you glue it. Many different antennae masts can be seen on various aircraft including the football fairing ones. Mine will stay with just the radio antenna mast.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 01, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
Getting close to the end now. But that is all to tonight. Have a good one and see you all tomorrow.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 02, 2013, 08:38:24 AM
Hi Lou,

Sorry I haven't posted an update but my schedule has been crazier than usual. I need to do a lot more sanding and possibly add more wood filler. Here a couple of updated photos.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 02, 2013, 10:24:15 AM
Well done with the excellent progress Peter.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 02, 2013, 02:32:52 PM
You are doing a fantastic job Peter. Did you hollow out your engine cowls or is it just an optical illusion?

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 02, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
I have not figured out how to add comments to a still photo display, but I am learning. The photos show the process of making a spinner. I first mark the center of the dowel, mark the length of the spinner and then remove half the material. I then mark the half way point and remove the forward portion bringing the forward end to a rounded point. Then using fine sandpaper, round things off. To remove the spinner from the dowel I have a small video. I have tried saws and cutting directly through but mostly wind up chipping the edges of the spinner. This is the best way for me to do spinners. As per the plan instruction you may glue these in place and the build is complete as per the plans.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Vautour/th_HampdenPropellerSpinner_zps31379fb8.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Vautour/HampdenPropellerSpinner_zps31379fb8.mp4)

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 02, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Vautour/th_WoodSealer_zps0311c1fb.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Vautour/WoodSealer_zps0311c1fb.mp4)
The only thing remaining is for sealing, priming and sanding. I use a home made sealer of Future Acrylic Wax and Johnson's Baby Power which is talcum powder. The mix is a mildly thick paste that is applied with a brush. It fills in the small scratches and dents. It is then sanded down with fine sandpaper and primer is applied. A sanding using fine paper is done and that will show the highs and low portion of the surface. Some putty may be used in deep dents and others can just be sand out. I recommend a sanding block or at least folded over paper other wise softer portions of the wood will be worn away quicker and create more dents. Once sanded, prime again, sand and prime until you are satisfied with the finish. This is the messy and long process so patience is definitely a virtue at this point. This process will enhance the final look of your model. WWII ID models are painted black so this is your choice.

Lou

The next few posts will describe the WWII DI + features.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 05:23:37 PM
Priming.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
That with exception of painting the model black, this concludes the WWII ID HP Hampden.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Addition steps to attain a WWII ID + Hampden will include:

Making prop disc - http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=753.msg6030#msg6030

Misc - upper and bottom rear fuselage details - Guns - marking cockpit/turret glass

Mounting - http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=1154.msg11530#msg11530

Painting Camouflage scheme - http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=81.msg324#msg324

Markings - http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=870.msg7633#msg7633

             - http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=725.msg5690#msg5690



Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 05:46:31 PM
Making the prop disc is shown in the Tip and Technique section of the site at http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?action=collapse;c=7;sa=collapse;sesc=b59cfcff565da0dddfdc3ae0f2d2bd39#7
An additional view of prop discs are in Ken's project board. Check out his B-25 at http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=730.msg5716#msg5716

The engine detail, is just a photo of a generic radial engine printed on ordinary paper and held in place with white glue. In this case, the engine photo will be removed for painting and new one made and applied after everything else is done.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 05:52:21 PM
At this point one can glue the prop hub/spinner directly on to the disc or a round toothpick/dowel can be affixed to the rear of the hub so that the discs are removable for transport or storage.  A corresponding hole must be drilled in the engine cowl. I recommend painting the hub/spinner prior to attaching to the model.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 06:05:37 PM
The Hampden has a upper rear fuselage longeron. This is not shown in the plan, however it is a prominent feature I felt I needed . A small bamboo dowel was used and sanded to 1/2 round shape and glued in position. As a suggestion, BBQ skewers are made of bamboo and the grain is very straight. Experimenting will result in a workable solution. The enclosed profile illustrates the location of the longeron and the bottom antenna. The antenna is round bamboo the same size as the upper 1/2 round stock and is held in place with small blocks approx. 1.5mm high and 1 mm wide and 2.5mm long. A profile is provided at

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1271/pics/9_1.jpg

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
The guns are the same round stock as the lower antenna and upper fuselage longeron. Check the model you wish to do and cut to length accordingly. I used the point of my compass to make holes for insertion. Different gun placement were used by various squadrons so check your references for placement and size. My model has 1 upper rear and two lower rear guns. Some may have fuselage mounted gun just in front of the forward cockpit windscreen.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 03, 2013, 06:26:26 PM
Making of the stand is your choice. I have a simple one that I have used on all my WWII ID + models. See the details at http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?topic=1154.msg11530#msg11530 located in the Tips and Technique section of the site.

The aircraft center of gravity should be placed in the center of the horizontal base. A round toothpick is used to form a joint between the aircraft and the stand and is not glued to ease removal for transport. The toothpick receiving hole in the aircraft should be approx. 1 inch behind the C of G. This has served me well so far.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 03, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
Lovely historic ID model Lou,it looks really good and I can just imagine this hanging from the roof of a nissan hut in the services.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 04, 2013, 08:29:08 PM
Once primed and sanded, the window frames are applied using narrow masking tape. I use a homemade printed guide to attempt to cut the masking tape to a consistent width. In this case the spacing is approx. .9mm. Use a sharp blade to cut. I took apart an ordinary three ring binder and found this really nice straight edge in it. One side has a glued strip of fine sandpaper to hold on smooth surfaces. It works like a charm.

Lou

PS the plans call for scribing the lines. I cannot do that very well so I do this work around. The choice is yours.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 04, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Apply the tape over the primer. If you have some adhesion problems, apply a thin coat of Future Wax and let dry. Future may not be available in other countries, however any acrylic liquid wax with do. Use a sharp blade to cut off the end rather than trying to place a specific length of tape. The turrets are also done in the same fashion. I have some future drying and will post more once all the framing has been done.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 04, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
It works well Lou,this narrow tape is very useful,if you want to buy some then use Chart tape from stationers shops.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 05, 2013, 02:35:16 AM
The more ways we have at making our models, the better we get at our craft.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 05, 2013, 09:48:38 AM
Progress of the cockpit window masking. Note that masking is used for the cowl cooling flats also. A patient individual could cut the separate individual flaps.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 05, 2013, 10:04:36 AM
In my enthusiasm to complete the project, the black bottom paint has been applied before the masking of the forward fuselage. The RCAF 408 Squadron scheme will be dark brown, dark green over black. http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark408-429.htm

Although the label indicates flat black, it is more of a semi gloss but the framework stand out well. As the fuselage will be hand painted, the semi gloss black will act as window glass. New brushes need to be purchased as those on hand are in bad need of replacing.

Lou
PS the above link is fantastic for RAF buffs. All of the countries that flew squadron during WWII are represented.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 05, 2013, 11:07:17 AM
This is going to look really good in its camouflage finish,the ID Plus idea works well and you can decorate your creations as much or as little as you like,the faithful lines have been caught by you Lou of the Handley Page Hampden 'Flying Suitcase' so called because of its very narrow fuselage for a fighter bomber.

Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on December 05, 2013, 09:24:30 PM
Great project Peter / Lou, both looking very good. Regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on December 05, 2013, 11:47:05 PM
Lou, if you have time could you elaborate on the business whereby you took apart a three ring binder to arrive at a straight edge and your homemade guide to allow you to achieve a consistant width in your strips. Also is it possible to make strips even of a width narrower than 0.9mm?
Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 06, 2013, 12:28:38 AM
Cliff if you want a really good straight edge that does not slip then get hold of an industrial hacksaw blade,the staggered teeth just grip the wood nicely when you put pressure on the blade,mine has been in use for years.

Also try a slide type guilotine the sort sold in Lidls stores,you can cut really narrow strips with those.

Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 07, 2013, 02:06:57 PM
The bottom colour for my RCAF 408 Squadron Hampden is black. As an experiment the paint was applied to the entire aircraft. These picture shows pretty well what a WWII ID model should have looked back in the 1940s.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 07, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
You would not know this is not an original ID model Lou,when you think about it they were expecting a lot from  people unskilled in making anything and producing reasonable replicas under that government scheme,but at least we have the drawings today to reproduce them properly as originally intended.
You have produced a faithful machine and reproduced a piece of history in itself.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Mark Braunlich on December 07, 2013, 06:21:17 PM
Very nice Hampden Lou.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 07, 2013, 07:55:23 PM
Thank you Barry and Mark. Peter is not that far behind and his is also turning out to be a great replica of the Hampden.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 07, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I'm almost ready for the primer, I think. Can you use spray primer in -10 weather? Will it dry properly?

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 07, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
Peter immerse the spray can in hot water for a few minutes,give it a good shake and spray away,I use this technique all the time in bad weather,you can keep warming the aerosol in between spraying.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 07, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
Be careful on the hot water. The internal pressure can rise very quickly. I know you BC'ers are going through a cold snap, but it will not last forever.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 07, 2013, 09:18:26 PM
Thank you Barry and Lou for you advice,  our cold snaps don't compare with the rest of the country but West Coasters take it seriously.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 11, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
Bought some new brushes and was amazed at the quality for a mere $3.00 price. I have started the cam scheme for a Hampden flying out of Pat Bay in 1943. The dark earth is from Model Master acrylic line. The dark green will be applied later today(I hope) and it is from Tamiya and is also acrylic. I don't know if you can still get enamel flats anymore. Regardless, the earth on black give a good idea of what the cam scheme will look like. Painting the canopy frames is quite easy with the raised masking tape. Decals are simple roundels/flashes and a black serial number at the tail end. There are no code letters on these aircraft. I looked for the serial numbers Barry gave me, but could not find any references to them in the RCAF serial number research site. I assume that these numbers were assigned to the RAF Hampdens before the station was turned over to the RCAF. Regardless I will use serial P5884 for my model.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 11, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
Its looking really good now Lou,that camouflage really sets it off nicely.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 12, 2013, 09:08:06 PM
A shot with the dark green applied. Decals next.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Boomerang on December 13, 2013, 02:21:08 AM

  Lou,

  Looks great . I've enjoyed watching this model progress.

  Cheers

  Gordon
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 13, 2013, 02:31:54 AM
Thank you Gordon. I have enjoyed making it.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on December 13, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Very nice model Lou, I like that a lot. Regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 13, 2013, 09:53:38 PM
Thank you Paul. I still have a few things to go but I anticipate being done shortly.

Peter - how are things coming on your end?

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 15, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
Decals can be a problem. The easiest way is to check your spares box if you are a plastic modeler. Another is to have someone make them at a pretty cost sometimes. Try Bill at CanMilAir. He can be reasonable for cost. Another is to get decals for a Mosquito which is easier to get than the Hampden and fake the Code letters. The last is make your own. See our tutorial in the tip and technique section.
http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?board=9.0

A simple way is to print the roundels on paper, cut and glue using white glue. (My Hampden engines are done this way) It does not look bad from a distance. Another is to use self adhesive label paper. I found that the edges lifted after a while.

Since I have been doing this for a while, I do my own on Testor Decal Film. I do black items on clear film and coloured items on white film. Just for a change I decided to do the roundels on clear film and placing a separate white background circle. This does not work well for shapes other than circles or four sided images such as fin flashes. You will note that I made my white circle just a tad big and I will correct on the next ones.

Lou
PS. Note forward engine cowl has been painted copper and the cooling flaps(masking tape) painted steel.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 15, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
Serial number is done using RCAF font although I am not sure if Barry's father's aircraft would have RCAF or RAF fonts as they are different. I have successfully downloaded free military fonts from this site. http://hans.presto.tripod.com/fonts/stencil5.html

This is not an end all solution as many of the newer RCAF aircraft do not use the font downloaded from this site. Most of the RAF/USAF fonts are great.

Making code letter is another problem. Printing coloured code letters on white film requires you to cut them out and that is a pain and I have not had much success. If you print on clear film, it is see through and need to be painted over by hand which is a bit better but would be even better with decent eye site and steady hand. You young fellows could do that. But I ramble on.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 15, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
Lou the best material to stick down paper decals is a product called 'Golden products clear tar gel' once you use this then you will not bother with anything else,I first discovered it in my paintings and a pot last for ages,you can also use it as a first class glaze,on cockpits it looks just right and has just the right sheen.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: cliff strachan on December 15, 2013, 07:24:53 PM
Lou, if only it was a problem of "decent eye sight and steady hand". Age has that characteristic that has no bounds. So the lesson for youth is to work faster.
Cliff.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Mark Braunlich on December 16, 2013, 02:05:07 PM
The Hampden looks great Lou.  Congratulations on another fine tutorial.   On the matter of code letters, I once had to make code letters in the British underside sky color and obviously the color had to match the paint used on the underside.  The solution was to mask and spray paint the letters onto clear decal film.   They were opaque enough to hide the border between the two camouflage colors.  You can see the result here: http://retroscalemodeling.lefora.com/topic/15447897/Airfix-172-Sea-Hurricane-Ia#.Uq8IW_RDvzs
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 16, 2013, 02:21:25 PM
Thank you Mark. I have tried that with spraying colour on clear film with mixed results. Doing block letters are fine, rounded numbers such as 8 6 and 9 are a problem for me. I never got the hang of cutting accurate masks for that style of numbers in that scale. I have also tried doing dry transfer on decal paper and that worked out but was limited in the colours and fonts to use. I am fortunate that the Hampden I chose has no code letters. My approach lately has been to print the smaller codes black and paint over by hand. Not a great solution for a shaky hand, but then I build for myself and was satisfied with the results.

Thanks for contributing to the build session. I am always looking for different tools to add to my skill's "Tool Box".

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 16, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Mark, great Sea Hurricane. My plastics are not and never will be up to your level of excellence.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 17, 2013, 01:22:20 PM
Peter, I hope it has warmed up for you. I have completed my Hampden and await photos of your finished model before posting my photos.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 17, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
Hi Lou,

Things of warmed up but I haven't had a chance to work on the Hampden yet. Hopefully it will be finished at least to the
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 17, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Oops I hit send before finishing. I will hopefully the model painted and finished black by New Years. I may paint it to the IDplus level in January.

Peter

Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 17, 2013, 10:23:22 PM
There are some who do not go beyond the black finish and that is also fine as the original WWII ID models were all black. On second thought I will post pictures and let you decided.

Lou
Must go misses calling!!!!
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 18, 2013, 04:47:03 PM
This is my favorite photo of the completed Hampden.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 18, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
Decals images were downloaded from Wikipedia. Fin flashes and appropriately sized circles were done on white film and the remainder on  clear film. My first attempt with the new printer was a disaster. If my old printer ever crashes, I don't know what I will do.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 18, 2013, 04:52:38 PM
Photo Gallery I of the completed Hampden P5884.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 18, 2013, 04:54:39 PM
Photo Gallery II of the completed Hampden P5884.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 18, 2013, 06:03:02 PM
Wow Lou very impressive.  You definately spurred me on to finish the Hampden.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Balsabasher on December 18, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
Lou your Hampden looks superb,you have done the subject real credit.
Barry.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 19, 2013, 12:22:48 AM
Thank you both. It was an enjoyable build. It is a lot more fun when you have someone to play with!!!!!!

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: buccfan on December 19, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
Superb model Lou, detailing and decals are excellent.Regards Paul J.
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 19, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
Thank you Paul.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on December 23, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Peter, any news to report. I was hoping to be able to add your Hampden to the 2013 builds.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on December 24, 2013, 01:42:26 AM
Sorry Lou nothing yet. I am hoping to have it at least to the black stage by New Years Eve.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on February 02, 2014, 09:27:17 PM
Peter, how is your Hampden project going?

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on February 03, 2014, 12:36:34 AM
Hi Lou,

I have been working insane hours with work and will be until the end of March. I am planning on getting out to the work shop tomorrow night. I got lots of new toys for Christmas I haven't played with yet. So I will have a progress report soon.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on February 14, 2015, 06:22:44 PM
Any photos yet?

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on February 14, 2015, 07:13:08 PM
Hi Lou,

I have a work bench covered in unfinished projects. I try and work a little on all of them but that seems to keep me from finishing anything. So I think it's time for me to prioritize. I need to choose something and finish it. Seeing you asked, I'll make it the Hampden.

Peter
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on February 14, 2015, 08:37:23 PM
We await your photos.

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: lastvautour on April 21, 2017, 06:08:46 PM
Peter, photo??

Lou
Title: Re: Novice WWII ID Model Handley Page Hampden (Started 1 Oct 2013)
Post by: Peter on April 21, 2017, 08:44:51 PM
Unfortunately it's still waiting to be painted all my hobbies have been on hold for about a year. I'm planing on rebooting my wood and plastic addictions this summer.

Peter