There is a plan for a Perch-class submarine in the gallery:
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_USSPompanoPlan1-1200Instruct.gif)
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This model is intended to be an ID-type, at 1/1200 scale (1 inch = 100 feet). I can't imagine one of these would be too complicated to build, so it could be a quick project to squeeze in.
I don't think we need to limit the cook-up to this submarine only. I probably have a few books with similar plans in them if anyone is interested in something similar.
Is anyone else up for this cook-up?
Garet
Got any drawings of that desttroyer peeking its bow in the picture?
Lou
There are three destroyers in the article, Lou! Gridley, Mahan, and Winslow.
Until I can get their plans posted, you can see the article at:
http://books.google.com/books?id=PCkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA148&&lr=&as_brr=1&as_pt=MAGAZINES&ei=Xn2lSbmaM5KIkASC-YCKDg#PPA148,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=PCkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA148&&lr=&as_brr=1&as_pt=MAGAZINES&ei=Xn2lSbmaM5KIkASC-YCKDg#PPA148,M1)
Garet
I did look at some post-WW II submarine plans, and realized that a waterline model will have the unusual issue of having the rudder separated from the rest of the hull by water! Perhaps we could glue a thin piece of material to the bottom to hold them together.
Here are the boats that I have enough details on to make a waterline ID model of. Most are three-views or other drawings.
I also have some decidedly semi-scale drawings in "How to Build a Model Navy" by H.H. Gilmore, which are not listed here.
USA:
USS Snapper
USS Nautilus
USS Holland
USS George Washington (I think)
France:
Curie
Russia/USSR:
A-5
D-3
Forel
K-21
Krab
Minoga
Oscar II
P-3
Pantera
SH-402
Typhoon
UK:
X-Craft
IJN:
2-man mini-sub
The rudder on the Perch is way underneath the hull, I wouldn't show.
As long as you stay upright, Ray. ;)
Dave T., thank you for processing and posting the destroyer plans! These are excerpted from several pages in the original article.
I moved a copy to:
http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2530 (http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2530)
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_3-destroyers%7E0.jpg)
PS, I'm still holding out for a 1/1200 submarine waterline group build (mine is ready for painting now), but if I don't get any takers in another week or so, I'll open it up to 1/1200 targets, ah, skimmers, too. ;)
Yes, good point, I am often inverted. :P :o
Which one are you doing Garet? Do we have a drawing of the X-Craft?
Lou
I'm building the USS Pompano from the Popular Science Monthly plans. She has one coat of paint (still tacky). It's cold in the basement -- snowed last night in Seattle -- so I probably won't get another coat on tonight.
Here is an excellent article on an X-Craft model build:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/building_articles/x_craft_benedetto/x_craft_benedetto.html#top (http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/building_articles/x_craft_benedetto/x_craft_benedetto.html#top)
A whole web page of submarine drawings, with X-Craft about half-way down:
http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/plans.html (http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/plans.html)
Drawings printed and keel to be laid as soon as my flu is over. Will probably do a destroer and a sub to keep it company. Taking nap now.
Lou
Chicken broth dude, Mint tea with lemon and a cigar strong enough to burn your face off :o
GWS XOXO
Lou, Sorry to hear about your flu. May you have a speedy recovery.
A 1:1200 Perch-class sub from the Popular Science article. It's nearly complete, maybe a little more work on the paint and a gun barrel.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_littlesub.jpg)
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Neat, we will have a flotilla of subs. Nice sub Dave. Mine is half way there.
Lou
Dave, Nice work! My final paint just dried, so I'll shoot a photo and upload today. Garet
Here's my USS Pompano (SS-181). Time to build was 1.5 hours.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_USS_Pompano_1-1200.jpg)
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Oooh, Garet I like the bevel on your Pompano. It looks a lot more realistic. It seems I didn't interpret the drawing very well. Also I said it was a Perch-class, but just read a while ago that it was Porpoise-class.
Maybe mine is from the Tuna-class. ::)
Dave,
Tuna class!? Sorry, Charlie :D Very funny.
Thank you for joining the group build. Lou tells me his is nearly finished with a sub, too. I have to admit that this is my first waterline model to complete.
I did a panic when I saw yours, and realized that the plans didn't have enough detail to tell either way. Then I mistakenly looked up the Perch class plans in Ray's collection, and found that it was like yours. I found photos of the Pompano, and noticed that it didn't really match either plan. I've decided to accept mine regardless, and yours, too. Fortunately, it didn't take me long to build, so even if it's wrong, I could make another pretty quickly. Plus, I imagine that most visitors to my shop aren't going to know the difference. ;)
As a result, I decided to check the plans of the USS Nautilus that I was about to start, and found that it does not match two very accurate plans I found on-line. I've decided to draw up ID model plans based on the detailed drawings. And I think I'll include a front-view! :) The Nautilus has a deck that bevels exactly the way you did yours.
Lou and I ran into the same thing with the Wickes class destroyers. I have about four sets of plans, none of them matching photos in the Navy's historical archive!
I did get sidetracked today, as my son begged me to work on his kayak again (1/1 scale).
Garet
They were modified and repaired and. . . The Comet Perch is barely accurate in that it's a sub with a pre-war bridge. The Wicks and Clemson classes like the YMS/BYMS where built is such great numbers by so many shipyards. Then modified for their field of operation. I doubt you could find two identical boat of the same class in the same yard. Then each ship changed over the years. Ya just have to pick it and chip it and build to get a good idea of your subject. I Like it! :o
In other words, we can't possibly get it wrong! Or at least no one can prove whether or not we have it wrong. ;D
Little fellas fit the box project build too...
and if anybody says they're not correct tell em to do it better :P
Those darn border guards have the conning tower held up at the border. Something about not allowing weapons of minimum destruction across the US/Canada border. I may have to order from Australia.
As it stands, the lower and upper hulls are glued and drying between the runny nose, the blowing and headaches. Perhaps this evening or tomorrow will be more conducive to building.
Lou
Must be the same guys who held up the lend-lease PT boat! Next time, we'll send a Boeing Rum-Runner boat instead (little known part of Boeing history) ;)
Geeze! Lou, I've heard of putting blood, sweat and tears into a project :D :P
I hear that my father was a rum runner in his younger days. Perhaps he still has contacts????
Lou
We've gone nuclear. USS Nautilus, SSN-571 is nearing completion (awaiting hull painting). She's about the same length as the Pompano.
Garet
Garet, what type of wood did you use on the Pompano?
Hey Gent's, These little fella's would be great to put in your "Box" ::)
Then you just need a ship, an airplane, a wheeled machine and a tank.
Yes Lou a Helo counts as an Airplane. :P
Dave, I've been using basswood sheets for the sub models.
Ray, yes, these are excellent for the box project. That's funny you should mention the box project: last weekend, I was sketching out some ideas, which would include waterline models glued to thick cards that would slide into slots in the box.
I also was sketching out a miniature airplane construction example, so starting with rough-shaped parts at one end, going through shaping and sanding, and ending up with a model that is painted and detailed on one half only so that you can see the wood parts on the other half.
Garet
Nautilus was painted black by the shipyard this evening, the color she currently is (on display at Groton). However, the Admiral angrily pointed out photos of her early days, when she was gray topside and black below. The shipyard sanded the paint a bit and gave her a starting coat of gray.
My 1/1200 submarine has been launched and proven to be seaworthy. I can't get my edges to be as sharp as Dave's and Garet's handywork.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/1-1200_Perch.JPG)
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Looks good though Lou, What kind of wood?
I would just like to remind those of you who have never participated in a cook-up here, or are new to us, they never end. :o
So take your time and post when your ready, watch and learn. We want to have fun as modelers here and we want new modelers to learn and post so give it a try. If anyone gives other than good or constructive comment, I'll climb right through this puter and.... :P
So, Ya'll come back now, ;D :-*
As to never-ending cook-ups, that is very true. There are several from years ago that I'm still allegedly working on ;)
Nice work, Lou. The ID models work! I was looking through a book about WW II ships, and they had a pen drawing of a submarine on one page. Two of my children (7 and 9 years old), said, "Look! That's the one you made! The Perch class, right?"
I woke up before my alarm this morning and gave the Nautilus another coat of gray.
Dave T's comment about Lou's sub being in the Caribbean got me thinking that I need a better ship background.
Garet
I used recycled Mahogany baseboard but the grain is just too loose for something this small. I still have bit of basswood remaining so a sister ship will be made for comparison. The background is a 24" X 18" blue bristleboard. I also have white and will purchase other colours as they are found.
Lou
Poplar holds a nice, sharp edge.
Underway On Nuclear Power
--USS Nautilus, January 17, 1955
Basswood model in 1/1200 scale.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_USS_Nautilus_1-1200.jpg)
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Nice Nautilus. Please pose next to the USS Pompano for comparison. How many subs do you plan on having?
Lou
Where's your 1/1200 sub, Ray?
In my Imagination ;D
Lou, funny you should ask. I took a sub rendezvous photo last night as well. I'll post it later this evening.
Garet
The second Perch Class is up and running.
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Neat photo, Lou. I like the way your ballast tanks came out.
Garet
Lou,
You asked if I was planning other subs. I turned up drawings of the USS Ohio and NR-1 last night (it would be a tiny one), so I am considering those next.
Garet
Are we gonna see some hulls under these little fellas'? ::) :P
Full-hull models? The drawings I have for the NR-1 and Ohio are full-hull, and they are so much more interesting with all those details under the waterline (NR-1 even has wheels!). It would certainly be novel to have a little 3-inch long model mounted with brass posts on a nice wooden base. Also, NR-1 and Ohio have that issue with the top of the rudder sticking up out of the water, but only connected below the waterline.
Garet
;) It seems like the first of this month is a good time to join the sub cook-up.
I hope nobody else was counting on model of the year!
You have my vote. Run silent run deep my friend.
Lou