This cook up was started by Peter and Lou and will deal with gliders and or their respective tow planes.
Lou
Note - No other member joined the cook up, hence the thread is relocated to Lou's Project Board. Some pictures are not visible. Just select them to view.
I have selected the Royal Canadian Air Cadet Cessna Model 305A/L-19/O-1 Bird Dog tow plane and the Schweizer 2-33/2-33A Glider in 1/32 scale. I started collecting data on the L-19 some time ago as a friend of mine works with them out of Debert NS for the summer flying program.
L-19 Photo from Wikimedia
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/L19-2.jpg)
Schweizer Model:SGS 2-33A from Maitlandaircadet.ca.
(http://www.maitlandaircadets.ca/images/glider.gif)
Drawing from fiddlersgreen.net
(http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Schweizer2-33/IMAGES/Schweizer-2-33-plan.jpg)
Lou
Lou, I guess I had better clear this up first. While I have to do some more research and planning before I commit to this latest cook-up I'm wondering if I might still qualify if the Air Cadet glider that I'm considering, the Schweizer S21 - that I was involved with in Cadets, would still be considered if the tow plane was actually an Eaton's panel truck. We used the truck to tow the glider using a 1000' rope to approximately 800' agl. If memory serves me at all that is.
Cliff.
Any glider or tow methods is ok as long as it is a solid. I have seem VW bugs get gliders aloft.
Lou
Thanks Lou. But VW bugs?!
Cliff.
Gliders make up such a unique and mostly forgotten part of aviation history. If the cookup is open to all gliders and tow planes think of the possibilities, civilian gliders/tow planes galore. There are also all the World War 2 gliders, Horsas and Wacos towed by DC3s. The German Me 323 Gigant towed by Ju 52. There were also the German gliders used to assault the Belgium fort and rescue Mussilini but I can't remember the name of them right now. In the ID model section there is the Bristol LRQ-1 US Navy troop glider only three were built. It was planned that they would be towed by a seaplane like the PBY Catalina. Have I missed any?
Peter
There was a whole series of training gliders (the TG series) built in the US by Piper, Aeronca, and other aircraft manufacturers to train glider pilots. See: http://www.ww2gp.org/training.htm
The German assault gliders used in the attack on Fort Eban Emael in Belgium and the rescue of Mussolini were the small, 10-man DFS 230s. Germany also built over 1,500 Gotha 242 transport gliders and used them in the Mediterranean and North Africa. They often used Heinkel 111 bombers as glider tugs, too.
Also, don't forget the big British General Aircraft Hamilcar (troop transport) and Hotspur (training) gliders. In addition to Dakotas, the British often used Short Stirling bombers as glider tugs.
Lots of modeling options!
If it has no motor and flies, it's a glider!! All tow planes and gliders are welcomed. Apparently there is such a thing as a powered glider where the motor is used to gain altitude and then shut off for the glide back. I found a few drawings of the SGS 2-33 and the L-19. I could not find any cross sections to the Bird Dog, but it should be pretty straight forward.
Lou
For Peter: will you be doing the 2-33 Canadian Air Cadet Glider?
Hi Lou,
I will be doing the 2-33 Cadet glider, although I haven't decided the scale yet. Isn't there a plan for the Bird dog in ID Models or some where else on the site?
Peter
Hey Lou
I found a perfect plan for 2-33! It's actually for a 1/8 scale RC version but would work perfectly for a solid. printed it off on a 8.5x11 sheet. I'm not sure what scale it is but I'm going to build it right off the sheet.
http://www.gliderworkshop.com/index.php?
Still looking for a suitable Bird Dog plan.
Peter
I just sent you the same one you found. I should have checked the link first. I do have an excellent drawing of the Bird Dog given to me by my friend Dave Tunison. I will check with him on posting to the gallery or I will send them to you via email.
Lou
Thanks Lou, I responded to your email
Peter
Like a kid at Christmas, I could not wait. The drawings has been printed and pasted to cereal box cardboard and cut ready to trace onto the wood.
Lou
You are a kid at Christmas! That's why you get so many models finished! I printed out the Bird dog it came out perfect. The glider only printed out a quarter of the model and actually looked like a screen shot?
Peter
What program are you using. This is Windows Starter 2010.
Lou
It is not your program, it's little old senile me. New drawing and direction sent via email.
Lou
Thanks Lou, that's better!
Peter
I decided to laminate the fuselage so that all pieces would be from the same board of recycled mahogany baseboard. I added a Cessna 180 to act as a tow plane pending construction of the L-19.
Lou
The Schweizer 2-33 Royal Air cadet glider took flight earlier today. Had to borrow a tow plane as the L-19 is still in the drawing stages.
Lou
More photos. C-GFNA flies out of Debert Nova Scotia but is stored in Greenwood during the winter.
Lou
The glider looks great Lou! I haven't even gotten the wood yet. Your work is inspirational as always.
Peter
Thank you Peter. In future I will avoid laminated parts. I had many areas where the glue failed to hold even though there was lots of it. I don't know if it was the higher than normal humidity. Humidex here is above 30C and will be again tomorrow. This has been a recurring theme this summer.
Lou
Actually I just had the same problem trying to laminate two pieces of wood for a wing. It very well could be the weather. Well it still beats the rain !
Peter
At a friend's suggestion I used Gorilla Glue. So far so good and no split. I guess the type of glue is important in these damp conditions. They actually make you add water to one side of the two pieces to be joined, so dampness does not appear to be a problem. Live and learn.
Lou
I have actually used Guerilla Glue to glue brass pieces to a cherry wood walking stick I made my Mom. It's held up very well and has been water resistant too. They also make Guerilla white wood glue but I haven't tried it yet.
Peter
That is a real nice set up, Lou. Your Schweizer S-33 is supreme. Right down to the nose skid - which I remember well as an important part of the Schweizer S-21. Incidentally, I did come across a black and white photo of a S-21 - origin unknown - but one that I intend to send to SMM.
Cliff.
Thank you Cliff.
Lou
A recent proposal for a Cook-up involved gliders and a history of gliding. In this vain I thought that it would be of interest to members of SMM if I posted a brief history of gliding as it was undertaken by the RCAC in Canada.
In this first photo:(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10010/normal_Sch-1.jpg)a Schweizer SGU-2-22E as it currently is displayed at the WCAM is shown.
In my next shot a history of gliding is shown:(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10010/normal_Sch-2.jpg)
http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=7197&fullsize=1 (http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=7197&fullsize=1)
Finally, a photo of an earlier Schweizer, believed to be a single seat Schweizer S-21 - photographer and location is unknown, is displayed:(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10010/normal_Sch-3.jpg)
Cliff.//
The L-19 tow plane is in block form and proceeding. It should be ready for roll out by end Oct.
Lou
I had completely forgotten about the blocked L-19 until I looked for the name of the glider to post to the CF-5A build. WOW was I surprised to find that I had already done templates and had started the model. Just like Christmas, isn't senility grand in that respect. Regardless, back to work on the L-19.
Lou I am glad that others experience these senior moments as well ! how could you forget that you had already blocked this model out ? carry on regardless,these moments happen as the grey hairs start sprouting.
Barry.
Carving has begun.
Lou
Basic shaping of the airfoil and fuselage contours.
Lou
Another beauty Lou,love the scale as well nice and big.
Barry.
one of my friends has flown in a bird dog, I might have a go at making one!
Biggles
There is a fantastic story about a Bird Dog which escaped from Vietnam with the pilots five family members onboard,he landed on an aircraft carrier and they pushed aircraft overboard so he could land,if some clever person can search the internet for this there is even some photographs,its a great little aircraft and a delight to fly.
Barry.
Here is the story.
http://vnafmamn.com/flight_freedom.html
Lou
Thanks Lou thats an amazing story,the all up weight of two adults and five children in that small cockpit was cutting it fine,if they had ditched then it is doubtful if they would have survived.
Barry.
I found that I made a critical error in carving the fuselage of my L-19. A new fuselage has been drawn on the wood to be used and hopefully carving will be started this weekend. It is easier to begin anew than attempt to fix the error. Live and learn again
Lou
lou, were are the plans for the L-19?
biggles
Lou the error would have been there every time that you looked at the model,the other fuselage can go to the apprentice school at Vautour Aeronautics as a ground airframe.
Barry.
The L-19 plans from Model Airplane News have been posted to the gallery http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=97&pid=8081#top_display_media
The new fuselage is half block carved and progressing.
Lou
Excellent drawings,I may just tackle a Bird Dog after seeing these,its a lovely aircraft and they are much cherished by their civilian owners who have purchased demobbed machines.
Barry.
thanks Lou, the plans didn't come up in the search bar.
I found some good plans on the internet, here they are.
Biggles.
Try this. Use the links to get the full size images and down load from there.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_Cessna_OE-1_Sheet_A.jpg)
Sheet A http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=8081#top_display_media
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_Cessna_OE-1_Sheet_B.jpg)
Sheet B http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=8082#top_display_media
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_Cessna_OE-1_Sheet_C.jpg)
Sheet C http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=8083#top_display_media
Lou
Had to remove the string ribbing on the horizontal stab and will replace it with half round plastic rods from Evergreen. Evergreen was used on the rudder.
Lou
Lou, a very nice model. But briefly when you get time: "What is Evergreen?"
Cliff.
Evergreen makes all sorts of shapes for modeling. Check them out here. You will find them at any model shop or train shop.
http://www.evergreenscalemodels.com/
Lou
Slooooooooowly coming along.
Lou
Very effective Lou.
Barry.
Corrugation has begun on the ailerons. This a slow process as the glue need to dry a bit before I attempt to add another piece.
A busy workbench scene Lou,looking really good.
Barry.
And sometimes hard to find a particular tool.
Lou
Well, one aileron is done. I tried using thick acrylic craft paint as a glue medium and it worked as well as superglue. Since the wing will be yellow --
Lou
Yes acrylic has excellent adhesive properties,I use it a lot in my art collage work for this very reason,also it flows right up to the edges sealing them off,Lou get yourself a tub of Golden products clear tar gel its really useful stuff.
Barry.
The fuselage has its fourth coat of yellow. It is brushed on acrylic and I am hoping it will turn out. A light sanding and a final coat will follow later this week.
Lou
For whatever reason the photos in this thread will only display if you select them. This applies to photos attached prior to the change and only this one thread. ??? Regardless, the L-19 is close to completion. All painting and decals have been done and now I need to carve a four bladed prop.
Lou
My prop is not quite as smooth as the photo of the 1/1 scale version, but it is coming along. The prop requires alternating black and white stripes starting with white on two opposing blades and black on the other two.
The exhaust is a five piece affair with electrical wire as the curved piece and round stock for the attaching hardware and the mufflers. This is done to reduce noise levels and keep the locals happy.
I hope to be finished by weeks end.
Lou
Lou, that is a very neat model. I particularly like the undercarriage.
Cliff.
Thank you Cliff. These rare home made metal landing gear struts.
Lou
Roll out occurred 16 May 2014.
Additional photos.
Lou
Well done Lou!
Peter
Very nice Lou, great work on the prop. Regards Paul J.
Thank you both. Lou
The combination looks really superb Lou,those colours stand out well.
Barry.
Another superb result
Cheers
Gordon
I was not pleased with the size of the prop so I made another with a larger diameter.
Lou