A cook up dedicated to Float planes.
Hi Gera,
That's probably a good idea. But mostly from the standpoint that, I think, most of the old Canadian Bush aircraft, while important in their own right from a historical perspective, are uniquely amenable to Solid Scale. The mass manufacturing alternative has not yet provided "off-the-shelf" kits.
However, as I'm currently attempting my first such aircraft - the Vickers Vedette as part of the Flying Boat cookup - I would caution anyone from jumping into this too quickly. There sure are a lot of unforeseen difficulties with a biplane.
Cliff
Quote from: cliff strachan on April 24, 2008, 07:53:23 PM
Hi Gera,
That's probably a good idea. But mostly from the standpoint that, I think, most of the old Canadian Bush aircraft, while important in their own right from a historical perspective, are uniquely amenable to Solid Scale. The mass manufacturing alternative has not yet provided "off-the-shelf" kits.
However, as I'm currently attempting my first such aircraft - the Vickers Vedette as part of the Flying Boat cookup - I would caution anyone from jumping into this too quickly. There sure are a lot of unforeseen difficulties with a biplane.
Cliff
Hi Cliff....
I have a Fokker Super Universal ready to go....used in the 30´s all over Canada.
The Vickers Vedette is a very nice plane and you should have no trouble with it being a biplane....There are many "tricks" used in making these double wings fying machines....if you know how to make and use a "jig" for placing the upper wing correctly its like building any other model, it just takes a little more time....
Oh!!!! I would never touch any present "kit"......just good old solid wood or a composed model with all
interiors would also be nice in a large scale.
Gera
Hi Gera,
You might be interested to know that the Canadian Aviation Historical Society has some very good 3views of both the Super Universal and the Foker Universal. I've got a copy of both which if you like I will try to send you a copy. The Super Universal, apart from playing an important part in early Canadian Bush operations, northern exploration, development and rescue, was operational for a while in Alaska. One such Super was featured in a 30's National Geographic and that same aircraft has been restored. It has even been flown around the US and Canada a couple of years ago and is now on display at the Western Canada Aviation Museum here in Winnipeg. I've got a few photos of that aircraft in anticipation of someday making a model.
While we're on the topic and relative to future cookups, perhaps some thought might be given to addressing a "subject" as a cook up. A whole field might be chosen such as historic flights or early racers or Atlantic crossings. The idea needs work but it might be attractive.
Cliff
Hi Cliff.....
I have very good plans of the Fokker and once in a while I work on the radial engine of the "someday model", which is the "star" of the plane.....it looks so powerful even if it was not. If you can just add a .jpg in an e-mail of the 3 views I sure would appreciated.
Cookups are very common in clubs....in an Italian club I belong, they are called " Campaigns" and there is one or two going on all year. They are placed in for a vote and the winner topic goes. They are like you say, representative of a Historical period. In 2007 we had, "The Russian Theater during WW2" ,"Operation Husky", "The early Jets-1948 1959", and "Italian Naval Aircraft during WW2". You can get in or not and at the end some one wins 1, 2, and third post--mostly just recognition. Al participants do get a " nastrino"--a patch representative of the campaign which is placed by the administrator of the forum by their Avatar..I join most of them and its a way of getting models done, lots of fun and discussion during the whole time of the event. They do mean a lot of time and work. Somehow I never have enough models. ::)
Hi Gera,
I'll try to email the 3views as soon as possible. It may take a couple of days or so as I don't have my very own computer.
That's an interesting club you belong to. Perhaps we can also consider some form of what they are presenting for cook-ups.
Cliff.
Gera, what is the site address for your Italian club.
Lou
Quote from: lastvautour on April 29, 2008, 12:07:42 PM
Gera, what is the site address for your Italian club.
Lou
http://www.modellismopiu.it
This is the largest "all country club", so many cities have their little group, I belong to the Rome and Milano groups. As you will notice its mainly formed by " 3D plastic puzzle with instructions assemblers" but there are some scratchbuilders working with wood, plaster and metal. Some of the metal projects are impressive, specially one who makes "WW2 cannons". Most guys are really nice and I have been lucky to meet many of them from all over Italy. We kid a lot and I specially like to "pound" on the communists....hahahahahahah, as you know there are many in Italy. hahahahahahahah. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi Again Gera,
I've posted two sets of 3views of both the Fokker Universal and the Fokker Super Universal in the "members submitted plans" section. As the originals were too large to scan all in one piece they require that they be downloaded and then put together again. I don't think that will present that much of a problem. But regrettably, one file wrongly identifies a Universal version as the Super version. I don't know how I can delete that file.
Cliff.
Cliff,
Thanks for the plans. I deleted the misidentified one. There is a button over the photo that looks like a text bubble from a comic strip. It is the "report this file to the administrator", and it sends a link plus your comment to the administrators, so that is one way to report a file that needs to be moved, renamed, or deleted. I think it was Marshall who discovered this button.
Garet
Quote from: cliff strachan on May 01, 2008, 07:51:28 PM
Hi Again Gera,
I've posted two sets of 3views of both the Fokker Universal and the Fokker Super Universal in the "members submitted plans" section. As the originals were too large to scan all in one piece they require that they be downloaded and then put together again. I don't think that will present that much of a problem. But regrettably, one file wrongly identifies a Universal version as the Super version. I don't know how I can delete that file.
Cliff.
Hi Cliff........
Thank you buddy....nice plans for a very nice and easy model. What would outshine the whole model is the big radial..... Also saw photos of your present flying boat, looks like its comming out very nice--quite an original model.
A cook-up has been nominated and approved (It only takes two builders) and they never end. Sorry it took so long. . . Let the chips fly Gents ;D
Float planes??????? TBA
Lou
These really are great subjects for solid models despite their complexities and I notice from above the difficulty that some people have in aligning up wings,especially those with multi strutting and engines hung in between wings etc,can I suggest that the only real way to accomplish the rigging of such items to to build a temporary 'scaffold' around the model,ie wing sits onto a temporary cradle,engines fit into temporarey discs made from card/balsa,decalarge is pre set before committing to adhesives,stagger of the wing is set in card holders that slide over the aerofoil etc,in other words once glued into place the scaffold is torn down from the model leaving everything set up and in place,you can make the scaffold's in stages adding different sections at a time.
You will be surprised how much easier the assembly work becomes utilising such a system,models of the Sikorsky S-36 and S-38 types then become feasible subjects,pre planning and jigging is the answer to such complex models.
Barry.
I've always wanted to build a Grunman Goose and paint it like the one from the short lived TV series Tales of the Gold Monkey. Is the there a 3vu of the Goose anywhere?
Peter
Not really a floatplane but here's the requested Goose:
The Goose would fit into the flying boat category. A Beaver on floats would be right up this alley. Matter of fact I just happen to have a 1/24 Beaver with floats that has been around for two decades just waiting for the right time to be finished.
Photos to follow.
Lou
The Beaver was started around 1990-91. There is a bit of dust on it but a good wash should clear that up for priming and repainting.
Lou
Thanks for the Goose plans Mark! I'll add it to my list!
Peter
Only the front vertical and rear slanted braces hold any weight. The others will just be glued to these four. The subject should be changed to reflect all countries that fly float planes.
Lou
A few hours of sanding off the paint ridges and application of Duplicolour primer make the old Beaver look pretty smooth all over. Now I am waiting to see once what she looks like with the primer in a dry state. The floats have been done and they look pretty good and will need only minor repair from the dings of being moved from shelf to shelf over the past 20 years.
Lou
Solids last well dont they Lou ? your restoration work is looking very good on this workhorse,20 years and I wonder how many models you have built in that time Lou ?
Barry
Nearly all the wooden ones that I current have. I believe a 1/24 Tutor, Expeditor and Twin Huey are the only ones older.
Lou
Primed and ready for paint. I have yet to select a finish.
The remaining framing for the float brace will be done after painting.
Lou
I see that you are still collecting those big Maxwell House jars Lou,as you showed us they make great blister hangars and large nissan huts.
Barry.
Unfortunately they have stopped using metal and have converted to cardboard sides. It is easier to use, but does not have the ridges associated with metal huts.
Lou
I know it was a few years ago Lou, but I'm curious about your corrugated fin and flaps. Are those made with heavy thread? Very nice engraving Lou, a skill I'm trying to acquire.
Mark
The corrugation is tape with several heavy coats of enamel spray paint. I can't remember how I did the engraving and I sure wish I could.
Lou
Gloss white acrylic is being applied. It dripped a bit but I need to sand the paint again before applying the final coat and then the bright orange marking of the subject that has been selected.
This is going to look good in its new paint job.
Barry.
The last of the float mounting hardware has been installed and partially painted silver. The floats will also be metal colour. The Beaver is not getting much attention these days but it should be done by summer's end.
Lou it is a great restoration,I have models like this in the background to something else that I am working on,you fit them in when you can.
Barry.
I find I am doing more fitting that concentrating on one project. Oh, well, it's all joyous times.
Lou
Almost time to start thinking of Christmas project if I can fit it in.
Frog Tape is being used to make the fuselage and wing markings. The cheat line is home made decal lines.
Lou
Seeing your model Lou I could do with a big high wing Beaver myself,these civil schemes take some masking.
Barry.
I have removed the tape and things worked out well. The cheat lines and remaining decals are is being applied today. A search will be done on line for a good frontal view of a radial engine to print/paste to the front of the cowl. I want to leave the model as is to show my limited skills circa 1990.
Lou
The tape worked as advertised with no leakage. The cheat lines are almost all done. I poured water on glass and placed the decal on top of it. This way water does not touch the decal area at all. It works for me.
Lou
There can be a lot of work with these civilian aeroplane colourschemes,I like the decal technique Lou will give that a try today myself on a Curtiss Jenny kit that I am building with a youngster.
Barry.
C-GQXH is an actual aircraft flown in Canada. The attached photos show the finished product. i added the additional horizontal stab fins and float rudders which were not part of the original beaver built in 1990.
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_DSCF5863.JPG)(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_DSCF5869.JPG)
Thankfully, most of my builds don't take quite this long.
Lou
Well as always Lou!
Peter
What can I say Lou except what a beautiful restoration project you have achieved,the extra fins were for directional stability on water where crosswind component makes the aircraft drift,they add an interesting talking point.
Barry.
Nice Lou! I love float planes.
Mark
Thank you all. When started in 1990 I did not know how many hobby carvers there existed in the world. I had not met any to date. Now, there are many who share through this site. I have not thanked Ray in a long time for the site that made all of this possible. So Ray, your efforts are so greatly appreciated.
Lou
Lou I was only thinking myself yesterday how grateful that I am to Ray and for finding this site and the comradship it brings in our mutual interest of solid modelling and carving,the site has become one of great inspiration for myself and many others out there for which I am personally most grateful,long may it prosper and bring the genuine joy to us all in this crazy world of destruction,I say this being appalled and saddened to see pictures of young people running riot in the streets tonight on television.
I have always said that hobbies are essential for the mind,working with wood is so calming as we all know.
Thank you again Ray for providing this platform on behalf of us all.
Barry.
While surfing I came upon this group build where I was the only builder. With Fraser's 1/48 Beaver, it will finally be true group cook-up.
Lou
Great. The beaver is still under work and I'll try to post some more pictures soon
Two models from Guy La Casse, a Northrop Delta
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1830.0;attach=14498;image)
and a Barkley Grow
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1830.0;attach=14500;image)
Lou
de Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver in 1/32 scale. Saw C-FGYT while on a Sunday drive and knew I had to have one for my collection.
Lou
Should have posted the Harbour Air beaver earlier. Build details are on my posts under Fraser's projects.
Thanks
Additional photos of the Canada 150 Beaver
Fraser
A great looking pair of Beavers!!
It's always nice to see brightly coloured civilian planes. My hat's off to both of you on the excellent paint jobs.
Thank you Ken.
Lou
Thank you,
Fraser
Found some pictures of my first float plane the DHC-3 Otter in 1/32 scale. I made it for a friend's dad who had worked on them. It is also the first of what I consider the modern builds. I had taken a hiatus from 1966 to 1985 on doing solids. From 1985 on, models come out looking like the chosen subject.
Lou
Timeless design!
One more float plane is this RCAF Bellanca CH-300 Pacemaker in 1/72 scale.
Lou
(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_72_Bellanca_CH-300_Pacemaker_012.png)
I have two recent addition to the float plane group build, a 1/72 Fairchild 71 and a 1/72 Northrop Delta.
Lou
I neglected to add my 1/72 and 1/144 Kingfishers.
Lou
Worthy additions of course!
Fraser
1/32 De Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter.
Lou
Another spectacular model Lou. The paint work looks great! - ken
Thank you Ken. This was a longer than usual build but well worth the effort.
Lou